Many of you probably saw Mike Freeman’s (@realfreemancbs on Twitter) article today on you-know-who and you know who else (okay, okay, I forgot I use his name now), ahem, I mean Brett and Aaron.

I loved the article, as usual with his writing, and despite some despairing tweets after the ongoing feedback directed to Mike that one feels we’ll never be done with this subject…while I understand fully, I feel compelled to comment.

Despite the fact I thought the piece was well written, as usual, and funny (anyone who uses “jerkiness” in a journalistic piece is my guy/gal), I actually disagree with at least part of Mike’s premise. He suggests we’ll forgive #4 and QB1 won’t (or may not, to be fair to his article). Please note, my use of “we” here is more of the royal “We”; I do not think I speak for Packer Nation. I know I am not alone, however.

I think Aaron may forgive Brett way before a lot of Packer fans do.


1) Interestingly enough, he’ll probably get perspective from the view of the Old Dongslinger, as sad as that may seem on the surface. As our now beloved QB1 ages, TT may bring in a younger, equally talented quarterback to take us to the next generation. That time is a ways off (hopefully) but even if things go perfectly it will happen. Once that happens, you can’t tell me that Aaron won’t feel a bit competitive, perhaps threatened in a way. Will he act like Brett did? No, I truly don’t think so. But Brett got along with Doug Pederson and Matt Hasselbeck just fine from my understanding. Brett was younger, and they were less threatening. Aaron was much too close and way too talented for comfort. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall his attitude towards Aaron had been publicly documented before the unceremonious dismissal. The new guy wasn’t going anywhere and the more that became apparent, the more Brett resented him. Aaron may come to understand this feeling better as time goes on as his career evolves. As Mike pointed out, Joe Montana and Steve Young can at least be in the same room now without glaring at each other. If you think Aaron has any less ego than Favre did, you’re on crack.

2) Players know football is a business, though I truly believe many of them do have loyalty to the teams they’ve played for, especially when it comes to fans. For that reason, I suspect ARodg is a bit more realistic about the world of the NFL than we are or could ever be. We can’t understand anyone wanting to ever leave the cocoon of Packer Nation. As Anita pointed out a long time ago, though, if fan nastiness would have persisted, #12 might have been happier than hell to go on to greener pastures.

While I think Aaron is thrilled with his current situation, he’s also smart enough to know that if you’re not happy in said situation you may want to move on. Okay, so move on. (Just not to the Vikings, for cripes sake! Or the Bears!)

One of the things I love best about Aaron Rodgers is the chip on his shoulder. I’ve always had one. Time alters all of us, no doubt, but I know for my part, I’m like Inigo Montoya when it comes to Brett. You dissed me and Packer Nation….prepare…well, you know.

Revenge truly is a dish best served cold. Enjoy it, Favre. You earned it with every comment, snub, posted picture of the “Thanks Ted” jersey and Deanna smirking…all of the things you decided you had to disclose; the updates you texted to Ed “What Will I Do If You Really Retire” Werder (did I just say texted? Ewwww) or allowed to be publicly displayed. Despite all this, Aaron will probably forgive you at some point. I’m a little closer to the Eagles. Maybe when Hell Freezes Over. Maybe sooner. But don’t count on my feeling warm and fuzzy towards you any time soon.

Oh, and dear, dear, Donald Driver, my suspected source for this article? Quit trying to broker a reconciliation. These are grown men, they’ll figure it out, or they won’t. Either way, you can love both of them and I’ll understand that totally. You know them. I know how I feel. I don’t hate Brett, and I’m grateful for his gifts and for the Super Bowl win. That said, I don’t blame Aaron a bit if he keeps the heat on a while.

He’s been through his own little hell. He’s earned it.



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  • BigSnakeMan

    From my own point of view, it’s less a matter of forgiveness than acceptance. Favre was a great player for the Packers and deserves to be recognized as such. Favre only did what is typical of pro athletes and, indeed, many of us; acting in his own self interest. If forgiveness is to be conveyed, it should be on Packers fans to forgive themselves for ever buying into the myth.

    My only remaining dispute with ’4′ is that he apparently desires to have it both ways. Brett maintained that it was his perogative to treat his legacy as he pleased and he was right. But now that he has revealed himself by his actions, it’s unrealistic for him to expect to be as revered as he once was; it doesn’t work that way.

    Frankly, what difference does it make whether he manages a rapprochement with Rodgers? Favre didn’t want to spend any more time in Green Bay than he had to while he was still playing here. He’ll obviously be back when his number is put up on the ring of honor, but it’s unlikely that he’ll ever be the type of player to frequent Titletown in retirement. And at this point, I doubt Rodgers cares one way or the other.

  • John Rehor

    I think the way the Packers handle the relationship with Rodgers and Favre is going to be interesting. AS Mike pointed out in his article, they don’t want the two QBs not “playing nice”, do they? Something to keep an eye on in the future.

    As for #4, it will be difficult for me to accept him back (as much as I do want him part of the Packers) until he does one thing: admits that the Summer of Favre was nothing more than his maneuvering out of Green Bay to get to MN, eventually, and doing so was selfish. Once I hear the words I’m sorry from him, he’s welcome back, still on the outside but no longer cast aside like a piece of trash. Do I think he’ll ever say that? No, and every day that passes without him saying I’m sorry to the fans and the organization is another day his legacy is tarnished even further.

  • Anita

    LOL….I also think Quickie is the “anonymous” source in Mike’s original article. He’s the first one that popped into my mind. The selection of players on the current team that knew both men well (Driver, Tausch, Clifton) is pretty slim now. Defensive guys like Barnett aren’t as close to the QB’s as the three “suspects” I mentioned. It’s gotta be Driver.

    I think Rodgers is a classy enough man to accept an apology from Favre, eventually. Shake his hand and smile for the camera, but I don’t think he’ll ever really forget the way he was treated. Nor do I think he should. I don’t think the men will ever go bowling together. One day, Aaron will accept a phone call from Brett (and yes, Brett is the one who should be making that call).

    Basically, I feel the same way about accepting Favre back in to the Packer fold. It’s going to happen eventually. He’s going to get his number retired and his name put on the ring. But will he ever be as revered as he once was? I don’t think so. There’s just too much hurt, and Favre just doens’t seem to get that. He thinks his lust for revenge was simply directed toward Thompson and McCarthy, but you know what? It really wasn’t. Football is a business to them. It’s a job. They could eventually leave and go to another team with a better offer. The people hurt by Favre actions since Summer ’08 were the fans, who live the Packers with their hearts, not their heads. He doesn’t seem to get that. At least he didn’t before. Maybe he does now. Now that he’s lived through a season of Hell and Karma has made him her bitch.

    I agree that he will never be the warm fuzzy veteran that shows up for events and rallies and shakes hands with the fans, talking about old times. He won’t be Antonio Freeman, LeRoy Butler or Fuzzy Thurston. I love seeing the past players. Seeing Majkowski show up at rallies this year was awesome. I don’t think we’ll ever see Brett like that. And that’s too bad. Once upon a time, he was the face of the franchise. I don’t think that’s true anymore.

  • Ceallaigh_k

    Let first admit that I’m still at the …and the horse you rode in on level of dislike for Favre at this point. Yes, I question his motives for hopping on the bandwagon right before the Superbowl proclaiming that he wants them to win it all when only a few weeks before he told Julius Peppers that he hoped the Bears would knock the Pack out of playoff consideration on January 3. Clearly the bandwagoning at this juncture smacks of some self-seving hidden agenda.

    It begs to ask, What’s in it for Brett Favre?

    Favre chose to retire. Favre chose to stay retired when he was asked, “Are you really sure.” Favre chose to throw a fit when training camp started in 2008 and he wasn’t extended an engraved invitation attend. And it was solely Favre’s decision to treat Rodgers as poorly as he did when they were teammate.Sure, there were smiles for the cameras, but he went out of his way to point out that he didn’t get paid to neither coach nor mentor the understudy.

    And I don’t doubt that Rodgers has thick enough skin and a big enough ego to put up with the Favre drama. He’s a big boy. He can either take the bait (which it appears he has not) or prove that he was raised better (which he asserted during whole autograph kerfuffle) and rise above it. He’s had plenty of (well-deserved)opportunities to throw Favre and his grandstanding

    But there is still a part of me that is still pissed at how Favre treated Aaron Rodgers the kid , which is what he still was when he was drafted–a 21-yr-old kid that probably would’ve benefitted from a little guidance and support. I don’t doubt that the kid that entered training camp smarted from that type of treatment.

    But that kid is on the cusp of eclipsing the previous QB. To his benefit, Rodgers is one resilliant athlete that appears to be on the receiving end of many rounds of Kick the Rodgers since he first tried to play Division I ball. If anything, he has proven that whatever doesn’t kill you definitely makes you stronger.

    Perhaps this is why Matt Flynn has had some guidance and kindness from his QB1. Around the time of the New England game, Rodgers impressed with the comments that he considered Flynn akin to a little brother. In that statement, he again proved that he is a 180 from Favre.

    So getting back to Favre, I think a little shunning may be good for his soul. Might take him down a notch or three. I cried when he retired the first time. I was at the game where his number was supposed to be retired. In time this will happen, but I doubt I will cheer as loudly as I would have in 2008. He’s part of Packers history and did do some amazing things during his tenure. But he also became a sad little spiteful caricature of his former self. It wasn’t about football in the end, but about a vendetta and how he could stick it to the Packer front office.

    I’m quite certain Darla Rodgers raised a man that can forgive some bitter old dude’s pettiness. I don’t expect them to ever be besties, but I would hope that Aaron could walk in a room, shake the guy’s hand and prove he’s above the petty crap. And I don’t think Double D needs to be a faciliator. That’s something that can’t be forced.

    But as for the Packer Nation, it may take a little longer. There’s a time and place for olive branches and other assorted gestures toward a detente. But I think it’s going to take some time, perhaps when that notorious shadow less of a sideshow to the game on the field. Personally, I’d be happy welcoming him back sometime after Rodgers heads to Canton.

  • Ceallaigh_k

    Sorry, didn’t mean to hijack this thread. I had some thinky thoughts on this. Didn’t realize it would be so damn long!

  • Colleen

    Nice comments everyone – BSM, you’re a bigger man than I am. Well,you know what I mean. But I don’t think it was wrong of us to believe at the very least that BF was grateful for our support and returned the affection on some level. I’m not sure he ever did, now. That’s sad.

    I’m probably a mix of the rest of you. I am wistful for who I thought BF was. I probably always will be. But if I was Aaron, I’d let him twist in the wind for a while, then be gracious and never speak to him again.

  • Colleen

    Oh, and Kelly, feel free to hijack any time you want! :)

  • Ceallaigh_k

    Here’s the deal. The ball is completely in Favre’s court now. No one from the Packer organization–not TT, Murphy, Rodgers or Quickie–needs to be falling over him begging for his approval or return. He’s not the wronged party by any stretch of the imagination. He’s the one that served a giant turdburger to front office, Aaron Rodgers and the fans. I’m with John. Unless there is some genuine act of contrition that isn’t about appearances, but a real apology, then I don’t think anyone owes him any more than a thank for time served.

  • BigSnakeMan

    Ceallaigh_k: “Favre chose to retire. Favre chose to stay retired when he was asked, “Are you really sure.” Favre chose to throw a fit when training camp started in 2008 and he wasn’t extended an engraved invitation attend.”
    Not to get too far off topic but that’s the part I still don’t get. None of what Kelly writes above is much in dispute, yet the storyline in the national media remains that the Packers “pushed ’4′ out the door”.


    Still, nothing like a Favre post to generate a lot of opinion. ;)

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